Leaving Vanguard.

Hey guys.

Well I logged back in this morning and did some stuff, then decided me and moonie would come back in this evening to assess how to get things going again.

Needless to say we are met with 'issues' and sympathy for cass etc. Moonie logged straight out again and I left shortly after. As moonie says, Cass was happy until she came back, whereupon she quit because of Moonies aparrent 'issues' with her.

Fair enough. Screw it, I'm not prepared to put moonie through this again so we are cancelling our accounts for the forseeable future. Get Cass and Xionn back and let them organise your raids etc because I've had a titful of criticism for every move either me, moonie or rashy have done over this issue. Something that was all started by CASS'S drama 2 weeks ago.

The woman is a blatant liar, twisting the truth of things etc to make her appear the victim. We were ready to return so she quit. WTF was that about....oh yea, moonies and rashys fault of course. Two people who haven't played for two weeks.

Amazing really. Not one person has supported us through this. We are left feeling like the bad guys simply because we told them they couldn't come back AGAIN. Cass is lying and bending the truth and the general consensus is 'poor cass and family' and 'Censorship issues' because I deleted a post virtually calling one of my friends an online Paedo.

I suggest you re read cass's posts. She even virtually denied having an issue the night we were raiding whilst she was deleting toons. Well fuck her, fuck that irritating little twat Xionn AND fuck Vanguard and kudos to those who would sooner leave others to do the dirty work while you sit there all smug, criticizing from the sidelines when things aren't done to suit you.

Well it's all yours now. Do what you want with it.

We did nothing to cause ANY of this, yet we got NO support whatsoever whilst Cass gets the sympathy.

Rashy made a post to benefit us all and get us back on track, Cass hijacks it to quit yet again and he ends up the bad guy again. But no, no one looks at it that way, instead too busy picking fault with someone who is trying to get the guild organised whilst the Drama Queen wallows in your sympathy.

Thanks a bunch but I've really had enough now.

hmmm, that is soo unfair, u guys did nothing wrong...:hethyla:

:nandyhug:

sorry, Shadowfax,

this wasn't intended at all ...
guess to give you and the guild a minimal chance to recover,
I better leave guild and forums. maybe it helps you to rethink
about quitting the game.

please guys,
dont do this.

Do what you want Cyn, but I'm finished.

Read cass's quitting thread. no support for us whatsoever, even sympathy for cass and criticism for rash. People say they know she was lying, well why didn't they speak up?

So stay or leave mate, it won't effect me either way cos i've had enough of caring about what others think of what i say or do.

Im so sorry to hear this shad and moony. I feel bad for the two of you because all you guys do is make everyone feel good and help out whenever you can. I was hoping that a break you make you both happier but seems that there is more to this then what I know. But what i do know is that this is a game and i play it to relieve stress and to make friends. Well I wish the both of you a very happy holidays if i dont see you guys again and also i hope the next time you start up your accounts again you can look me up. I will miss all the funny things you both say in chat.

i don't know what to say....and i'm really confused....i didn't take a side in the post because i didn't want to hurt anyones feelings or lose any friends....

i try to make friends with everyone and try not to lose that friendship

so a few people lied and now those people are gone....we are a guild and we are friends....and if there are any of us who aren't friends then we have to deal with that :(

i don't want to see anyone going it leaves people with broken hearts and awkward feelings

i don't want anyone to be mad but i want everyone(including me) to just sit down and think about everything that happened....just think long and hard about everything we have accomplished and everything we have earned as a guild....

and if you 2 don't come back(but i hope you do) then thank you very very much for everything you did; and i would hug you if i could but i can't since i'm tons of miles over the ocean but i can just do this

:hugs:

thank you for everything you gave us
thank you for the fun and great time we've had every day and night
thank you for the laughs i've had
thank you for the energy and enthusiasm that was put into the guild
thank you for the love you've shown :( wish i could have shown more back
and thank you especially for how close you made me and some other people feel to one another

TY pred.

To be honest I wasn't wanting guys to take sides. But similarly I wasn't expecting criticism when I logged in for the way it was handled, when no one else was prepared to make a stand against Cass and Xi, who were criticizing the guild and telling lies.

Rashy tried to help me and Moonie before by keeping her breakdown off the forum. Something I appreciated and yet he took crap for it and was left feeling vindicated.

Peoples feelings should come before 'free speech over an online game' and what is effectively entertainment.

Both Rashy and I put a lot of pride in what all of us have achieved as such a small guild. We wanted a sense of accomplishment to be felt by everyone just for being a part of that. But if individuals can quit and return as they please, membership just becomes cheep, so we put a stop to what they were doing. Instead of support we just recieved criticism.

God dam forum ate my post.


Ill re-right it later, but one of the main things, I deleted that very last post of casstalias because it was a 100% blatant lie that she knew full well I was fine with her.......... the rest ill re-right later dam forum.

Also i did not even know we had a main healer, seing as we heal who ever when ever but thats by nor by now, obviously I caused issues somehow there, even when I dont do the apw grouping, but well the full explination will come on my side of the fence, seing as It managed to turn onto shad's head even though, cass was the one who deleted chars and as I was talking to pavey at the time, leaving the guild on that day, not that she was clearing out toonies, another lie, and i will send her the mother of all emails later, as now it got personal, when I could not log in today and play quietly, because I chose not to swear and rant on the forum, but to kill her last post.

Just for the record I deleted cass's last post and cass and family off the forums when she asked me to, which was in that last post, and rather it went than my temper, on insiite I should have let fly but I chose to keep quiet and hope it went away, until again I loged in and another leaving post hissy fit.... where i suddenly did not like her considering I had kept out of it I dont know but there we go.

Cyn no one wants anyone to leave, start fresh get the family back you will raid again then, xionn cass and pav im sure will jump at it once we are both out of the way, I can't change his mind, and cant move him on it. you dont need either of us, you have lived with out us for a good bit and before, your just used to our ugly mugs arround but it will pass.

You know what i think of you all and I am so so sorry for causing this latest upset by strolling back in when asked I should have stuck to my art and kept quiet on the sidelines, but thaught it might be ok to re-guild, a tad mistake there so sorry for that .

First apw: I am not the main healer never have been the main healer, do not want to be the main healer, I do not care what others see me as, all I see is........ I get there do a job leave. I thaught it was a group of friends who played along side each other, but others saw me as something else, well I'm not I;m me over zelous and a bit pushy when needed but never ever felt or feel superiour to anyone, regardless of what people think, that is actually a mean thaught towards me anyway and a total insult, everyone knew I wanted us to be just friends, i pushed that point over and over again, because I was scared someone would feel low.. that one backfired on me, seing as I don't even put the groups together for apw, yes I did the rolling the first few weeks and beleve me I hated that and was glad when it went for a proper roll. Infact I asked cass once to soley take care of pavey and he hit the floor pretty dam fast, in the end just do what I did to heal all not just the main tank, and if Ked asked who was healing who, man were in apw doing a boss, im just typing fast as I can and looking at the list for a name, cass that day being in group 3 was not a blatant sit out, it just ended up that way, again I did not shove her there, and could see coobees name first on that list so I went with that and just shouted heth and umm i forget...... and cass pick up the rest, so what? we were doing a fun job get it done get the gear get out, you could have shoved me in group 3 by myself I would not have squeeked about it, and I certainly would not have thaught ohh hark at her "main healer" its crap total and utter crap, the main tank main healer is just daft, we all do what we do, no one is better than anyone else. Stupid but relevant saying there is no I in team and I really think that way.

Rashy: yes hes over zelous and yes he can be a silly ass, but hes tried so hard, right at times wrong at times like all of us, the guy has been in bits trying to do the right thing, ending in the wrong thing, but there were lies again from cass, she made it out that he vertually stalked xionn but did not bother to give the rest of the information, regarding her son being a tit at the time and deserved a dam good telling off , so he did it she was never going to, and people were getting fraid at the edges in tells to once not several times and he never said we want you to leave, hes still got a transcript of the convo, but would not post it, as xionn is moaning about mum and dad shouting and ranting as they do, they left us before this and rashy had to beg then, she lined the family up to give them a good telling off, that agiain was an apw night, and xionn told shad a whole lode of stuff and rashy sorted it out.... he may make himself look bad but he only tried to save me further crap as I embarrasingly broke down big time, over the main healer shit and it is utter shit. If xionn has been told off you can bet your bottom dollar it was for a reason, he urked the shit out of most of us most of the time, and rashy treid to smooth that over, wrongly or rightly he only was doing what he thaught was best for us all and the guild, and he is human and I know he is so very upset about this and I mean in a big big way. Basically he was sending in game tells trying to protect me knowing more than most and it slaped him in the face...you knwo he works hard quietly for the guild and you know he loves everyone even though he goes off on one, hes that kind of nature, a loveable rogue I guess bit like shad if thats the right words to use. Rash if this is not written quite like it was meant to im sorry, I hope all know what I mean though.

Shad: Shad decided it was his turn to be the bad guy in the end as rashy could not take no more of it, so he stood up and told her how it was, and of course being "15" and i hate that excuse its no excuse at all, if a 15 year old kills a cat hes pure evil and knows right from wrong regardless of his age, I will not except that having three of my own, I am fully aware what kids are like, no one will ever sway me from that, things like that are why 15 year olds are off mugging grannies and killing kids and raping is higher than every, because bless their only 15... , we have two other lads in the guild and my god I love them to bits what a pair of assets to anyones game, they are sweet and loving and funny and never nag the hind legs off you because they have a monumental "want want" problem, yes I like xionn but equally he could get right on my wick. So it was said. And then suddenly as he atacks mrs prissy knickers it turns on him, but people say they have left lets move on etc you all know what went on in those posts.. Shad only wanted backup, afterall neither of us had actually done anything, nothing nada, this came from Cass being a monumental bitch twice in apw, bottom line, like it or not, that is exactly what she was and did on both those occassions.

Cass email: I could put the whole thing here but it was very much I did this because, and life is this because and I have real issues because, so thats my excuse, scuse me but im not a target for anyone whos got out of game issues. she sends me a mail saying she wants us back, and when I walk in she walks out with a total lie on the forum about me having issues with her, when my very last words to her by email was: I really like you and pavey as well and the kids, even xionn hes sweet in his little way. Mailee I have not got used to yet, but she seems equally sweet, and I never wanted ever to fall out with anyone in the guild regardless, but thats my full explination on my side of the strange fence.
I never wanted to hurt her I even let her use my art and that is a total indication that I was fine with her, that thing took ages to create and I was kinda liking it, and its on its way for publishing, but still I let her use it, so where this sudden thing came from and she was trying to protect me, and each post contradicted the next with her. I don't want or need her explination of why she had a duck fit, and I don't want to be a big I I I I but we all have shit issues and for months I was getting mental in the end I was not even typing straight and was forgetting like mad with me joking I had altzimers, while on this side of the screen nearly trying to knock my head off with frustration. So I had what I guess is a breakdown that was braught on through stress, and I could not stand any more of the words Main healer and its not fair, and moonie said ......... that to me was just stupid, I don't really care about her feelings at the moment to be honest, all i see is a lyer and manipulative and mean spiritited person, anyone who twists and snakes is. NOW I have issues with her, id not piss on her if she was in the gutter on fire to be honest. I am passionate about hurting people and being nice and etc etc but beleve me that last post finished it for me, but I delted it not to throw another monumental hissy and it would have been full of disgusting language and thats not really me to be this mean, so I killed the last post, or it would have escillated, now shad got the blame again trying to protect me, do wish he would not really don't like him having the blame for the last one I killed their accounts I killed her mean poast.. I dont see it as Censorship but as shoving a peace of crap in the bin.
I can totally understand the sticking up for Cass I would not ever either have said anything else, but regarding harvesting *yawn* ya the last 2k but that was after Rashy had spoken to them again, so lets not loose site of that.
No one wants anyone to leave and I am not posting the mails I sent to cass they hurt to look at and I dont like people knowing im totally mental and why, I already did send them to cyn and nexus, but not casses full who is me my dad is not talking to me, so hello moonie target one I have a prob....... then come on back moonie, so when I do she quits again, yes that made me feel good, knowing dam well she was again being not so nice, on the guise of poor moonie i better leave shes got issues, and i think its better, when its total tosh she knows it I know it.... anyone who actually knows me knows it, for the record appart from cyn and nexus I was not there first I was actually last to leave tss. It was never my guild it was meant to be our guild, shame others saw that totally different, because hand on heart I never saw it any other way.
Perhaps im sicker than I think I dont know ill find out next week, when I saw that few lines tonight, my tummy did this squirmy horrible thing, and again I was gutted, and I don't want to be and I don't understand why the heck people have a prob with two that did actually do nothing inthe first place to end up being the ones the other side of the fence, and feeling like gits....... confused there big time, regardless.
Cass did the guild house deco and thank her for that, so the only thing I can say is, get them back, like my temp post says, when you have them back you will be back to normal, Cyn should not leave, why should he, obviously shad and myself have urked folks beond belefe, and I dont feel comfy with the thaught that people are giving me dirty looks (in my mind) when I log in due to something that was not even down to me in the first place. Shad and Rashy should not have stuck up for me thats for sure. Bottom line people are upset because we let cass go and shad got barrated for that, so basically what was her double rant turned into shad being a monster of sorts.
I'am tired as tired could be now, and never ever want to play another mmo people hurt you just like in real, so there is little point, id rather sit on my comp doing art at least it does not think bad of me, well some of the time at least, and I will miss everyone, its pointless saying it over and over you all know, when we split from tss, we left as good friends, and a few driped in after and I was so glad, but now I dont know how I could ever belong, because people think shad and myself should have left cass have all the hissies and all the rants and say things that are not true, just so they could come back in and out and do it again and again and again. We all leave and we all have bad days, what we dont do is be nasty to others because your having a crap week, or I would have killed her son three hundred times over.
I mean so much more, but mentally im crap and im so sorry for that and im so sorry I caused cass to leave again, that was not my intention people thaught it would be better bad judgement and i really am so so sorry hand on heart. I would never have walked back in if I knew it was going to kick off like that.
Cass by the way asked me to delete their forum account that was definately in her last post, saying please delte us from this forum so I did not shad just wanted to say that again...
Sorry cant think now cant justify why I heal and stuff just cant fathom now so ill leave it here, please do not leave anyone, just let the family in again and we will slide off quitely and then delete the crap we caused and go on nice and fresh. If this post is confusing weird nasty what ever just delete it because I somehow am struggling with chain of thaught and not sure really if my wording is correct, and im sure im repeating myself to much, actually I think I am as it goes.

And I do love everyone, and it will hurtie me not talking to the walking sweet shop and the little sweetie pred who im very worried about hes got to sweet a nature and is a worry as he heard me breaking down and now this, and its not fair on him and malt they don't really get it so much. Why the hell I feel like im the cause of all this crap and have to justify myself I really dont know, but somehow along the lines the only total gits are Rashy me and Shad in all this it seems, I dont know and my heads messed up and now refuses to make sence so you will have to read it knowing the normal me. I'm not going to mention all or ill cry again and thats silly of me all the time, silly woman I know.
I wont delte the forum or myself etc off the forum so we are arround. Huge massive hugs to you all ............... Tanya.

we don't want you and shad to go moonie, i want you guys back more then i want xi, cass, and pav and i think i speak for other people too. i don't want to say good bye and want to play with you more ingame. malt is almost up at our lvl, wise is almost here we're getting more people to help out wise can take xi's place, malt can take cass's but no1 can replace you 2 :heart:, even if we get new people

i agree with pred 100% i rather play with you 2 then the family. And besides i came here to be with friends

Friends are the bacon bits in the salad of life

Pred wrote:

... wise can take xi's place, malt can take cass's but no1 can replace you 2 :heart:

who take's Wise's and Malt's places than ?

what pred said.

noone wants to see u sad moonie, we want to see u here instead, happy , where u r loved, and where we cant be without u.

I hope you both realise ultimately that everyone in the guild have grown to love you both not only because of your dedication to enhancing everyones game but also because you are both genuinely good people.
I keep trying to write what i feel but cant so i will leave it as I cant.. an emoticon will have to do. I hope we can talk tomorrow.

:bigggghugs:

oops,
and shad too of course ( sorry rog, didnt mean to "forget" u)

Mho wrote:

who take's Wise's and Malt's places than ?

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Ok guys, i'm sorry for my temper.

Gonna take awhile and make sure moonie is fully better. We kinda came back because we thought we'd been away too long, which was probably the wrong thing to do.

Obviously I'm very worried about her now, but that's no reason to make everyone unhappy. We'll both keep you updated via the forum obviously.

Sorry for even more drama and Ty for the kind words :-)

omg shad, whre did u find those two uhm ... fine ... uhm.. speciments?

OOps wrong picture....that actually IS Malt and Wisey

nandy wrote:

omg shad, whre did u find those two uhm ... fine ... uhm.. speciments?

Think inbreeds are the word you are looking for ...

Well, now that we all (almost), including me at some point, have said we are gonna leave and got to be drama queens for 15 mins, maybe we can all try to ride out this now...
I hope all of you stay, as I like you all, Cass family leaving, really don't mean much to me as I didn't really know them that well...
I hope Moonie get better and I hope she knows we all loves her and shad for all they have done for us. You where the main reason I wanted to join the guild after all.

And please don't get me started on any more censorship issues?

This is my first post and i would just like to say.

Dont worry Mho i have two or three other char's around lev 20 so i will still be around with them.

I want my two RL friends (Shad and moonlake) to come back in game and enjoy themselves with us. I felt so alone when some idea in the last guild we had in another game split us up. I can see from the posts that there are a lot of people who feel the same as i do. so please please please come back you two and lead us once again into the light.

Please try and sweep all these unfortunate events of the last couple of weeks under the carpet and come back and play with us. We miss you so much.

Besides which you cant just run away and leave me in the lurch like this after all the work ive put in trying to get this darn ranger upto speed.

:thankyouu: and dont let this happen to you in this game :pharoe nn:

It breaks my heart to see you say sorry Con cause you have absoulutely nothing to be sorry about ,neither of you do ,or should I say all three of you.I haven't posted to comment about any of the happenings bacause I did not want to make things any worse which I'm sure I would have because I'm very opinionated when I see things I deem unfair ,unfortunately this also gets me sweary and shouty so I thought it best to not add fuel to the fire.Needless to say i'm still pretty pissed off with certain posts ,so I shall continue to keep my thoughts to myself so as to not stir things up again.But I did however want to come show my support and love for you guys at a very upsetting time.When people are hurting you by being intentionally mean,you need to stop being so kind save that for the people who love you,put your self at the front of the queue because now you come first.Thank you for your kindness ,even if its sometimes kept quiet ,it is always greatly appreciated.

I am the noob here....and tbh not sure who all the alts are etc.
BUT
I do know who made me feel welcome
Who made sure I was included in all things
and it wasnt the wall
I dont know exactly what happened but I do know this much
Real life comes first, so be well there and then get your arses back here cause I am refusing to be the most dying person in vanguard so I NEED you, crosses legs and carefully leans back so as to not spoil screen with knitting needles. adjusts glasses so can see her legs.and sighssssssssssss.............
I have been away seeing Tina Turner........omg what legs she has......
so missed some of this
Please come back I/we need you
the dying :queen:

Pred wrote:

we don't want you and shad to go moonie, i want you guys back more then i want xi, cass, and pav and i think i speak for other people too. i don't want to say good bye and want to play with you more ingame. malt is almost up at our lvl, wise is almost here we're getting more people to help out wise can take xi's place, malt can take cass's but no1 can replace you 2 :heart:

I dont know exactly what is happen here the last days...but Pred say it...
I thing you to are a importand part of the heart from TMR...and no one can replace you...we need you!!
Please come back!!